RBshorty
5:55 Mon Nov 28
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If we get any offers north of £40 million. The Brothers Dave will sell. They may give Slav £10-15 million. And they will trouser the rest.
And there will be fuck all any of us can do about it.
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geoffpikey
5:51 Mon Nov 28
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No matter who passes and creates "the chance".... we've had 36 shots on target all season. Palace (!) have had 56. Manchester Utd have had 75 (4th best, giving some credence as to their "unlucky" / "dominating" claims).
Only Boro, Burnley and Sunderland have had fewer than us.
On shots on target for, and shots on target against, we're pretty much where we should be in the league.
The Payet stat (given he isn't a "forward" is, in some ways, just a way of saying: everyone else is doing fuck all.
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tnb
5:45 Mon Nov 28
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If you give the ball to a player in a promising position, you are doing your job - you can't be held responsible if they make a complete hash of it.
I guarantee you that while we are hearing nothing about this stat as it relates to Payet, if come the end of the season Ozil or Martial or Coutinho are up there the press and MOTD etc will be all over it.
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Private Dancer
5:43 Mon Nov 28
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Complete pile of shit. IMO Payet should be doing a lot more for us.
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Alex V
5:38 Mon Nov 28
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In the same way goals can be flukes and mis-hits, tap-ins or wonderstrikes, and are completely misleading as a standalone stat, yet as far as I can tell our entire transfer strategy for strikers is built around that one bit of info.
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Alex V
5:30 Mon Nov 28
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There are other stats that look at the sort of shots taken. I think it's a mistake to criticise a stat for what it doesn't do. No stat is a catch-all answer to every question.
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Sniper
5:05 Mon Nov 28
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Well that's a shit definition
So if payet gets to the by line and kills it back and 5 players miss the all like gazza against Germany at euro 96 that's not a chance but laying it off to someone to shoot from halfway is? Surely any team with diamanté or boings in it would have 50 chances a game...
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chelmsfordhammer
5:01 Mon Nov 28
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so that pretty much sums up why its a stupid stat. If Payet plays a pass to someone and they then pass it to someone else its not a chance but if he passes to someone in exactly the same position and they shoot its classed as creating a chance.
Pathetic stat with the normal people on here taking it as meaning we've created loads of chances this season, which is something we clearly haven't done.
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Mart O
3:38 Mon Nov 28
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Yeah well no one's ever had a free role in a team managed by Didier Deschamps and yet Dimi's done pretty well for France.
Unfortunately, therefore, I can't see said freedom convincing him to stay very long at a club that's run like an episode of keystone cops.
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Alex V
3:29 Mon Nov 28
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One thing that does skew it is taking set-pieces. From what I can tell half of Payet's chances created come from that. Of course there's a benefit to having a great set-piece taker.
I think what it underlines is what a free role Payet gets at our club. He has pretty much a free role, he takes all the set-pieces, and when he gets on the ball he can try that killer pass. He could get a big move but he would likely never get that freedom again - not many players do.
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tnb
3:28 Mon Nov 28
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And yet I still keep seeing people writing in various crap publications and websites that he's had a 'slow start' to the season or equating part of our problems so far this season to him 'not performing as well as he did last season'.
If we had a striker or two fit and worth the name, he'd be top for assists too - and yet people would still probably ignore that and drool all over the likes of Ozil instead.
I really don't know what more he is supposed to do all on his own.
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geoffpikey
3:25 Mon Nov 28
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Being deliberately pedantic, but many shots have minimal likelihood of going in. Just because player A passed to the shooter player B (it may have been a badly placed pass/the "wrong" pass etc etc) amounts to... not much.
Not saying that's true of Payet, but heavy ingestion of salt is required for such stats.
That young lad for Southampton yesterday: he will have got an "assist" and/or he "created" a chance. The reality? He admitted he fucked up a near open goal and mishit his own shot! Luckily, a man with no knees got his head on the ball for a goal.
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Alex V
2:46 Mon Nov 28
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>>> What's the definition of "creating a chance"?
As I just said it's any pass leading directly to a shot.
An assist is any pass leading directly to a goal.
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geoffpikey
2:44 Mon Nov 28
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What's the definition of "creating a chance"?
It's up there with "assist" in the spurious statosphere.
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Alex V
2:32 Mon Nov 28
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It's any pass that leads directly to a shot. So including crosses and set pieces.
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On The Ball
2:04 Mon Nov 28
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It must count crosses too?
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Jack_El_Biscuit
1:57 Mon Nov 28
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I think they define it as a pass that leads to a shot on goal.
So in theory Payet could lay off a simple pass to Antonio 35 yards from goal and Antonio then boots it miles over the bar but that still counts as Payet creating a chance.
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nychammer
1:35 Mon Nov 28
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Yeah the problem is we've got championship quality strikers trying to finish them. He'll be off, probably in the summer, to a club with money and that ls prepared to take progress and European football seriously. Enjoy while it lasts.
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Sniper
12:28 Mon Nov 28
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Where are these chances really though, as I don't recall us forcing opposition keepers into an abundance of saves in every game. In fact most of the time we're lucky to get a shot away let alone on target
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Scraper
11:30 Mon Nov 28
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The GUARDI💩N trying to get him sold:
Dimitri Payet may be tied to West Ham United until 2021 due to the new deal he signed in February but a move for the playmaker must surely be a big temptation for a Champions League challenging club in the winter transfer window. He was the best performer in the 1-1 draw with Manchester United at Old Trafford. This was an exhibition of passing, shooting and dead ball delivery that oozed class, with Payet showing similar style to last season’s PFA Player of the Year, Riyad Mahrez of Leicester City. The Frenchman earns around £125,000 a week yet this wage and the price of around £40-45m is surely affordable for a Chelsea, Manchester City, Liverpool, Arsenal or Tottenham Hotspur to consider making the investment. With this in mind, if West Ham reach 1 February with Payet still at the club they can consider it a success given his top-class quality.
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chelmsfordhammer
11:02 Mon Nov 28
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irons, i havent seen anyone arguing that, there are quite a few that have argued , its actually both and id say theyre probably right. I would love to know what these people that compiled this consider a chance. If its being given the ball within 20 yards of the goal they could be right. I would love to know where all these chances are being created because i havent seen them at the home games.
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